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So here's something that got buried under all the missile strikes and drone counts this week, and I think it's actually the most important story of the moment.
Pakistan stepped into the middle of a war between Iran and the United States and said, essentially, we have a plan.
Bueno, mira, es que no fue solo un plan pequeño.
Well, look, it wasn't just a small plan.
Le llamaron el Acuerdo de Islamabad.
They called it the Islamabad Accord.
Propusieron un alto al fuego inmediato, la reapertura del Estrecho de Ormuz, y un período de negociaciones de quince a veinte días entre Irán y Estados Unidos.
They proposed an immediate ceasefire, the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz, and a fifteen to twenty day period of negotiations between Iran and the United States.
Right, and that name matters.
When you give something a proper name, a formal name, you're signaling that this is a document, not just a conversation.
The Islamabad Accord.
That has weight.
Exacto.
Exactly.
Y lo que hace a esta historia muy interesante es que el general Asim Munir, el jefe del ejército de Pakistán, habló directamente con el vicepresidente JD Vance y con el enviado especial de Trump, Steve Witkoff.
And what makes this story very interesting is that General Asim Munir, the chief of Pakistan's army, spoke directly with Vice President JD Vance and with Trump's special envoy, Steve Witkoff.
Here's the thing that jumps out at me immediately.
It's the general, not the prime minister or the foreign minister, who's doing this.
In Pakistan, that tells you something very specific about where real power sits.
La verdad es que sí.
That's true.
En Pakistán, el ejército tiene mucho poder.
In Pakistan, the military has a lot of power.
Más poder que el gobierno civil, muchas veces.
More power than the civilian government, many times.
Asim Munir no es solo un soldado, es una figura política muy importante.
Asim Munir is not just a soldier, he's a very important political figure.
And the Americans understand that.
Vance didn't fly to Islamabad to have tea with the foreign minister.
He went to talk to the man who actually controls the levers.
So when Munir is in the room, both sides know this is serious.
A ver, pero también hay que entender por qué Pakistán quiere hacer esto.
But we also need to understand why Pakistan wants to do this.
Pakistán tiene una frontera con Irán.
Pakistan shares a border with Iran.
Tiene relaciones con Estados Unidos.
It has relations with the United States.
Necesita mantener las dos relaciones al mismo tiempo.
It needs to maintain both relationships at the same time.
That's the geography of diplomacy, isn't it.
You don't choose to be a mediator because you're neutral.
You choose it because you have to live next to both parties.
Pakistan has been doing this balancing act for decades.
Bueno, y aquí hay un poco de historia muy interesante.
And here there is some very interesting history.
En 1971, cuando Nixon quería hablar con China en secreto, usó a Pakistán como intermediario.
In 1971, when Nixon wanted to secretly communicate with China, he used Pakistan as an intermediary.
El mensaje fue de Washington a Islamabad a Pekín.
The message went from Washington to Islamabad to Beijing.
The extraordinary thing is how consistent this is.
Fifty years later, same country, same role.
Kissinger flew secretly to Beijing via Pakistan in 1971, and now Vance is in Islamabad in 2026 trying to reach Tehran.
The geography hasn't changed and neither has the logic.
Mira, y más recientemente, en 2020, Pakistán ayudó con las negociaciones entre Estados Unidos y los talibanes en Doha.
And more recently, in 2020, Pakistan helped with the negotiations between the United States and the Taliban in Doha.
También fue un intermediario importante en ese proceso.
It was also an important intermediary in that process.
Right, the Doha Agreement.
And I covered the tail end of that process.
Pakistan's role was partly about access, partly about legitimacy.
The Taliban trusted them more than they trusted anyone else in the room.
The question now is whether Iran trusts them enough.
Es que la relación entre Pakistán e Irán es complicada.
The relationship between Pakistan and Iran is complicated.
Son vecinos, comparten una frontera larga.
They are neighbors, they share a long border.
Pero también tienen tensiones.
But they also have tensions.
Hace dos años, los dos países se atacaron con misiles.
Two years ago, the two countries attacked each other with missiles.
January 2024, yes.
Iran struck what it called militant bases inside Pakistan, and Pakistan retaliated within forty-eight hours.
It was one of those moments where you think, this could spiral, and then both sides stepped back.
Which actually tells you something about the channel between them.
Sí, exactamente.
Yes, exactly.
Escalaron y luego pararon.
They escalated and then stopped.
Eso significa que tienen comunicación directa.
That means they have direct communication.
Y ahora usan esa comunicación para algo mucho más importante.
And now they are using that communication for something much more important.
So what actually happened with the Accord?
Iran received the proposal.
That's not nothing.
But then Iran delivered its response back via Pakistan, and the response was: no temporary ceasefire, and here are our ten demands.
Bueno, cuando un país envía diez condiciones, no está diciendo no completamente.
When a country sends ten conditions, it is not saying no completely.
Está diciendo: hablamos, pero en mis términos.
It is saying: we talk, but on my terms.
Es una respuesta diplomática, no una negativa total.
It is a diplomatic response, not a total refusal.
No, you're absolutely right about that.
There's a huge difference between silence and a counter-offer.
Iran sent a counter-offer.
A complicated, ambitious counter-offer, but still.
They're at the table, even if they're refusing to sit down just yet.
Las condiciones de Irán incluyen una solución para todos los conflictos regionales, levantar las sanciones americanas, reconstrucción económica, y un protocolo para reabrir el Estrecho de Ormuz.
Iran's conditions include a solution to all regional conflicts, lifting American sanctions, economic reconstruction, and a protocol to reopen the Strait of Hormuz.
Son condiciones muy grandes.
They are very big conditions.
I mean, 'a solution to all regional conflicts.' That's not a demand, that's a manifesto.
That's Iran saying: we want to renegotiate the entire architecture of the Middle East.
Which, on one level, is maximalist posturing, but on another level, it tells you exactly what they think this war is actually about.
A ver, y las sanciones son el punto más importante para Irán.
And the sanctions are the most important point for Iran.
Las sanciones americanas destruyeron la economía iraní durante muchos años.
American sanctions destroyed the Iranian economy for many years.
Para Irán, levantar las sanciones no es solo dinero, es una cuestión de dignidad nacional.
For Iran, lifting sanctions is not just money, it is a question of national dignity.
That word, dignity.
It comes up again and again when you talk to Iranian officials or analysts.
The 2015 nuclear deal collapsed partly because Iran felt humiliated by the verification mechanisms.
It wasn't just about the centrifuges.
It was about being treated as a suspect rather than a sovereign state.
Mira, y Trump reaccionó a la propuesta iraní de una manera interesante.
And Trump reacted to the Iranian proposal in an interesting way.
Dijo que era 'un paso significativo'.
He said it was a significant step.
No dijo que era una respuesta perfecta, pero tampoco la rechazó completamente.
He didn't say it was a perfect response, but he didn't reject it completely either.
Look, with Trump, language is always a puzzle.
'Significant step' is carefully noncommittal.
It keeps the pressure on, it doesn't close the door, and it gives him room to claim progress without promising anything.
He's done this before with North Korea, with the Taliban.
It's a pattern.
También hay que hablar de las otras personas en estas conversaciones.
We also need to talk about the other people in these conversations.
Jared Kushner también está en las negociaciones.
Jared Kushner is also in the negotiations.
El yerno de Trump tiene mucha influencia en la política exterior de este gobierno.
Trump's son-in-law has a lot of influence in this government's foreign policy.
Kushner is fascinating here because he was the architect of the Abraham Accords in Trump's first term, which normalized relations between Israel and several Arab states.
So he has real experience in this region.
Whether Iran sees him as a credible channel or as a symbol of pro-Israel policy is another question entirely.
Es que para Irán, Kushner es una persona muy asociada con Israel.
For Iran, Kushner is a person very associated with Israel.
Pero a veces en la diplomacia, no importa quién eres, importa si tienes el poder para hacer promesas reales.
But sometimes in diplomacy, it doesn't matter who you are, what matters is whether you have the power to make real promises.
That's the core question of any mediation.
Do the people across the table actually have the authority to deliver what they're offering?
And from Iran's perspective, can Trump actually lift sanctions?
Can he guarantee what Israel does next?
Those are not easy promises to make.
La verdad es que el Estrecho de Ormuz es el punto más urgente para todo el mundo.
The truth is that the Strait of Hormuz is the most urgent point for everyone.
No solo para Irán y Estados Unidos, sino para Europa, Asia, para el mercado mundial del petróleo.
Not just for Iran and the United States, but for Europe, Asia, and the global oil market.
About twenty percent of the world's oil supply passes through that strait.
Twenty percent.
If it stays closed, you're not talking about an inconvenience, you're talking about a global economic shock that makes the 1973 oil embargo look like a warm-up act.
Bueno, y esta semana hubo una señal pequeña pero importante: Irán permitió que quince barcos pasaran por el Estrecho de Ormuz.
And this week there was a small but important signal: Iran allowed fifteen ships to pass through the Strait of Hormuz.
Y el primer barco de Malasia también pasó después de conversaciones entre los dos países.
And the first Malaysian ship also passed after conversations between the two countries.
Right, so this is Iran signaling that it can open the tap, but it can also close it again.
It's leverage, maintained deliberately.
Fifteen ships.
Not a flood, not a blockade.
A carefully calibrated message: we are still in control here.
A ver, volvamos a Pakistán un momento.
Let's go back to Pakistan for a moment.
Pakistán tiene su propio interés en resolver este conflicto.
Pakistan has its own interest in resolving this conflict.
La guerra entre Irán y Estados Unidos es muy peligrosa para un país que tiene frontera con los dos lados del problema.
The war between Iran and the United States is very dangerous for a country that shares a border with both sides of the problem.
And Pakistan's economy is already fragile.
They went through a severe IMF bailout crisis just two years ago.
A prolonged regional war, oil price spikes, disrupted trade routes, this is existential for Islamabad in a way that it isn't for Washington or even Tehran.
Pakistán también tiene problemas internos muy serios ahora mismo.
Pakistan also has very serious internal problems right now.
El conflicto con Afganistán, la economía difícil, la tensión política entre el gobierno y la oposición.
The conflict with Afghanistan, the difficult economy, political tension between the government and the opposition.
Asim Munir necesita una victoria diplomática.
Asim Munir needs a diplomatic victory.
This is the thing about mediation that people don't talk about enough.
The mediator is never purely neutral.
They always have their own agenda, their own domestic pressures, their own definition of success.
Munir needs this to work because it makes him look indispensable, at home and abroad.
Es que si Pakistán puede resolver, o ayudar a resolver, este conflicto, su posición en la región y en el mundo cambia completamente.
If Pakistan can resolve, or help resolve, this conflict, its position in the region and in the world changes completely.
Es una oportunidad enorme para el país.
It is an enormous opportunity for the country.
The historical precedent for this is actually encouraging if you squint at it right.
Pakistan's role in opening China to the West in 1971 transformed its relationship with Washington for years.
A successful mediation here could reset Pakistan's place in the international order.
Pero también hay que ser realistas.
But we also need to be realistic.
Las diez condiciones de Irán son muy ambiciosas.
Iran's ten conditions are very ambitious.
Pedir que se resuelvan todos los conflictos regionales es pedir demasiado en un período de negociación corto.
Asking for all regional conflicts to be resolved is asking too much in a short negotiation period.
I've watched enough negotiations fall apart to be cautious about this.
The gap between Iran's ten demands and what Washington can realistically offer in fifteen to twenty days is enormous.
The question is whether both sides are serious about narrowing that gap or just performing seriousness for the cameras.
La verdad es que en diplomacia, a veces el proceso es tan importante como el resultado.
In diplomacy, sometimes the process is as important as the result.
El hecho de que hablen, de que Pakistán sea el intermediario, de que Trump diga 'paso significativo', ya es algo importante.
The fact that they are talking, that Pakistan is the intermediary, that Trump says significant step, that itself is already something important.
The process creates facts on the ground too, or rather, it suspends facts.
Every day that diplomacy is alive is a day where the argument for continued bombardment is slightly harder to make.
That's not nothing.
That's actually a lot.
Bueno, y para terminar, creo que la historia de esta semana no es solo sobre Irán y Estados Unidos.
And to finish, I think this week's story is not only about Iran and the United States.
Es sobre cómo Pakistán encontró una oportunidad en una crisis y decidió usarla.
It is about how Pakistan found an opportunity in a crisis and decided to use it.
Eso también es diplomacia.
That too is diplomacy.
The intermediary.
The country that sits between two fires and says, let me carry the message.
It's one of the oldest roles in international relations, and Pakistan is playing it with real skill right now.
Whether it works, that's a different episode.
Probably several different episodes.
Sí, vamos a seguir esta historia.
Yes, we are going to follow this story.
El martes de Trump, el plazo que él puso, ya llegó.
Trump's Tuesday deadline has already arrived.
Lo que pasa después es muy importante.
What happens next is very important.
Escuchen el próximo episodio.
Listen to the next episode.