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El Festival Cancelado: Kanye West, el Reino Unido y los Límites del Arte
The Cancelled Festival: Kanye West, the UK, and the Limits of Art
Fletcher breaks down this story in English. Octavio reacts and expands in Spanish. Follow along with the live transcript, tap any word for its translation. Intermediate level — perfect for intermediate learners expanding their range.
So.
Kanye West tried to enter the United Kingdom this week, and the Home Office said no.
And because of that, an entire music festival got cancelled.
Bueno, sí.
Right, yes.
El festival Wireless, en Londres, canceló todos los conciertos porque Kanye West era el artista principal, y el gobierno británico no le permitió entrar al país.
The Wireless Festival, in London, cancelled all its concerts because Kanye West was the headline act, and the British government did not allow him to enter the country.
The Home Office put it in pretty stark language.
They said his presence would not be, quote, conducive to the public good.
That's a phrase with real history behind it.
Mira, la razón oficial fue el antisemitismo.
Look, the official reason was antisemitism.
Kanye West hizo comentarios muy negativos sobre los judíos, y también habló de Adolf Hitler de una manera que muchas personas consideraron peligrosa.
Kanye West made very negative comments about Jewish people, and he also spoke about Adolf Hitler in a way that many people considered dangerous.
Right, and this goes back a couple of years.
In 2022, he wore a shirt with the words 'White Lives Matter' at a fashion show in Paris, then went on an extended public meltdown where he said things like, and I'm quoting, 'I like Hitler' in an interview.
Es que no fue solo una declaración.
It wasn't just one statement.
Fueron muchas declaraciones, durante muchos meses.
It was many statements, over many months.
Y después, él se asoció con grupos neonazis en Estados Unidos.
And after that, he associated himself with neo-Nazi groups in the United States.
Fue un proceso largo.
It was a long process.
Here's what gets me, though.
The UK has banned artists before, musicians, comedians, political figures.
But cancelling a whole festival?
That's thousands of ticketholders who lost their plans for the weekend.
Bueno, la organización del festival no tenía otra opción.
Well, the festival organizers had no other choice.
Kanye West era el artista central.
Kanye West was the central act.
Sin él, el festival no tenía sentido.
Without him, the festival made no sense.
Por eso devolvieron el dinero a todos los compradores de entradas.
That's why they refunded all ticket buyers.
I mean, the Wireless Festival is a serious institution.
It started in 2005, it's been a launchpad for grime, hip-hop, R&B in the UK.
Artists like Kendrick Lamar, Drake, Jay-Z have headlined it.
It's not a small thing.
A ver, y aquí está el problema más interesante.
See, and here is the more interesting problem.
Kanye West fue uno de los raperos más importantes del mundo.
Kanye West was one of the most important rappers in the world.
Sus primeros álbumes, como 'The College Dropout' o 'My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy', fueron extraordinarios.
His early albums, like 'The College Dropout' or 'My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy', were extraordinary.
No, you're absolutely right about that.
I'm not a hip-hop expert, not by a long shot, but even I know that 'The College Dropout' in 2004 was something genuinely new.
He changed the sound.
Exacto.
Exactly.
Antes de Kanye, el rap tenía una estética muy específica.
Before Kanye, rap had a very specific aesthetic.
Él llegó con una chaqueta de ropa deportiva y habló de temas más personales, más emocionales.
He arrived wearing a polo shirt and spoke about more personal, more emotional topics.
Fue una revolución dentro del género.
It was a revolution within the genre.
So the question that I keep circling back to is this: do we separate the art from the artist?
And I don't think there's a clean answer.
I've been chewing on this one for years.
La verdad es que es una pregunta muy vieja.
The truth is it's a very old question.
Pensamos en Wagner, el compositor alemán del siglo diecinueve.
We think about Wagner, the German composer from the nineteenth century.
Era antisemita, y sus ideas influyeron en los nazis.
He was antisemitic, and his ideas influenced the Nazis.
Pero su música es increíble.
But his music is incredible.
Wagner is the perfect example, actually.
Israel didn't have an official ban on Wagner, but for decades the Philharmonic simply didn't play him.
It was a cultural decision, not a legal one.
The community decided.
Sí, y con Kanye West el caso es diferente porque él todavía está vivo.
Yes, and with Kanye West the case is different because he is still alive.
Él puede explicar sus ideas, puede cambiar, puede hacer daño directo con su influencia ahora mismo, en este momento.
He can explain his ideas, he can change, he can cause direct harm with his influence right now, in this moment.
The thing is, the UK's legal framework here is interesting.
Under the Immigration Act, the Home Secretary can refuse entry to anyone whose presence is not considered conducive to the public good.
It's broad, deliberately so.
Mira, el Reino Unido ya prohibió la entrada a otras personas famosas.
Look, the UK has already banned other famous people from entering.
Prohibieron al rapero Tyler, the Creator en 2015, también por comentarios ofensivos en sus letras.
They banned rapper Tyler, the Creator in 2015, also for offensive comments in his lyrics.
Y prohibieron a personas con ideas políticas extremas.
And they banned people with extreme political ideas.
Right, and Tyler, the Creator eventually had that ban reversed.
He came back and headlined Glastonbury, one of the most beloved festivals in Britain.
So these things aren't always permanent.
Pero hay una diferencia importante.
But there is an important difference.
Tyler, the Creator escribió letras provocadoras cuando era joven.
Tyler, the Creator wrote provocative lyrics when he was young.
Kanye West hizo declaraciones específicas sobre grupos reales de personas.
Kanye West made specific statements about real groups of people.
No es lo mismo.
It is not the same thing.
Look, I want to ask you something directly.
In Spain, how do you think about this balance between free expression and limiting speech that causes harm?
Because I know Spain has its own complicated history with censorship.
A ver, durante el franquismo, el gobierno controló toda la cultura.
See, during the Franco era, the government controlled all culture.
La música, el cine, los libros, todo.
Music, film, books, everything.
Entonces en España tenemos mucho miedo histórico a la censura, porque la sufrimos durante cuarenta años.
So in Spain we have a deep historical fear of censorship, because we suffered it for forty years.
The extraordinary thing is how that shapes the instinct even now.
I interviewed a Spanish journalist once, a woman who covered the transition to democracy, and she said the residue of that fear is still there, in the bones of the culture.
Es verdad.
That's true.
Pero también en España reconocemos que la libertad de expresión tiene límites.
But in Spain we also recognize that freedom of expression has limits.
La Constitución española no protege el discurso de odio.
The Spanish Constitution does not protect hate speech.
Hay leyes específicas contra el antisemitismo y la incitación a la violencia.
There are specific laws against antisemitism and incitement to violence.
Which is a fundamentally different starting point from the United States, where the First Amendment is almost absolute.
In America, what Kanye said is protected speech.
Ugly, but protected.
Bueno, y eso explica por qué él todavía puede actuar en Estados Unidos, puede publicar música, puede hablar en público.
Well, and that explains why he can still perform in the United States, can release music, can speak in public.
Pero otros países tomaron decisiones diferentes.
But other countries made different decisions.
El Reino Unido tomó una decisión diferente.
The United Kingdom made a different decision.
I want to bring in the business angle here, because it's easy to forget how much money is involved.
Kanye, who now goes by Ye, was worth something like 1.8 billion dollars at his peak.
He lost the Adidas deal, the Gap deal, everything collapsed.
Sí, Adidas canceló su contrato con él en 2022.
Yes, Adidas cancelled its contract with him in 2022.
Era una colaboración enorme, la línea Yeezy.
It was a huge collaboration, the Yeezy line.
Perdió cientos de millones de dólares.
He lost hundreds of millions of dollars.
Las empresas tomaron una decisión económica y también moral al mismo tiempo.
The companies made an economic decision and also a moral decision at the same time.
And here's the irony, or maybe it's not ironic at all.
The market punished him faster and more severely than any government did.
Adidas, Spotify playlists dropping, radio stations pulling his music.
Corporate decisions moved faster than law.
La verdad es que eso también es un problema.
The truth is that is also a problem.
Cuando las empresas privadas deciden qué podemos escuchar o qué artistas existen, tienen un poder enorme.
When private companies decide what we can listen to or which artists exist, they have enormous power.
Un poder que nadie les dio democráticamente.
Power that nobody gave them democratically.
No, you're absolutely right about that, and it makes me uncomfortable.
I've written about this in a different context, press freedom.
When platforms become the gatekeepers, accountability gets very murky very fast.
Mira, volvamos al festival.
Look, let's go back to the festival.
El Wireless Festival es muy popular entre el público joven y negro en Londres.
The Wireless Festival is very popular among young Black audiences in London.
Para muchos de ellos, Kanye West fue una figura importante en su cultura.
For many of them, Kanye West was an important figure in their culture.
Esta cancelación también los afectó a ellos.
This cancellation affected them too.
That's a dimension of this I don't want to gloss over.
Hip-hop culture, Black British culture, these communities built Wireless.
And they're also communities that have experienced antisemitism as a real thing, not an abstraction.
These tensions are real and they're lived.
Es que el antisemitismo dentro de la cultura hip-hop es un tema serio.
Antisemitism within hip-hop culture is a serious topic.
Tiene una historia complicada.
It has a complicated history.
No es solo Kanye West.
It is not just Kanye West.
Hay conversaciones difíciles que la comunidad necesita tener.
There are difficult conversations that the community needs to have.
Right.
And I think the ban, whatever you think of it, at least forced that conversation into the open.
Some of his fans are angry, some are relieved.
The debate is happening.
Bueno, hay algo más que quiero decir.
Well, there is something else I want to say.
Kanye West también habló de sus problemas de salud mental.
Kanye West also spoke about his mental health problems.
Tiene un diagnóstico de trastorno bipolar.
He has a diagnosis of bipolar disorder.
Algunos de sus fans piensan que sus declaraciones más extremas llegaron durante periodos difíciles.
Some of his fans think his most extreme statements came during difficult periods.
I've thought about that too, and I want to be careful here.
Mental illness can explain behavior.
It doesn't excuse the harm caused.
Those are two different things, and collapsing them does nobody any favors.
Totalmente de acuerdo.
Totally agree.
Pero sí cambia la manera en que pensamos en la responsabilidad.
But it does change the way we think about responsibility.
Y hace la situación más triste, no más simple.
And it makes the situation sadder, not simpler.
So where does this leave us?
The UK said no.
The festival died.
The art still exists, the albums are still there on the platforms.
You can still listen to 'Late Registration' tonight if you want to.
A ver, creo que la pregunta más importante no es si el gobierno hizo bien o mal.
See, I think the most important question is not whether the government did right or wrong.
La pregunta es: ¿qué responsabilidad tiene un artista famoso hacia su audiencia?
The question is: what responsibility does a famous artist have toward their audience?
Porque la influencia de Kanye West es real y es grande.
Because Kanye West's influence is real and it is large.
The extraordinary thing is that we're having this conversation at all, because twenty years ago nobody would have imagined that the man who made 'Jesus Walks' would end up here.
It's a genuinely tragic arc.
La verdad es que sí.
The truth is yes.
Y creo que eso es lo más importante para recordar hoy.
And I think that is the most important thing to remember today.
No es solo una historia sobre un artista prohibido.
It is not just a story about a banned artist.
Es una historia sobre cómo los artistas, la política, la salud mental y la cultura chocan en el mundo moderno.
It is a story about how artists, politics, mental health, and culture collide in the modern world.