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So, buried in the news this week, between missile barrages and diplomatic letters, the Pentagon confirmed something pretty significant: two MQ-9 Reaper drones shot down over Iran.
Two.
Bueno, mira, cuando lo vi en los titulares pensé: esto es mucho más importante de lo que parece.
Look, when I saw it in the headlines I thought: this is much more important than it looks.
Porque un Reaper no es un simple avión no tripulado.
Because a Reaper isn't just a simple unmanned aircraft.
Es, básicamente, uno de los activos de inteligencia más sofisticados que existen.
It's basically one of the most sophisticated intelligence assets in existence.
Right, and I think that's the thing most people are missing.
The headline is 'drones shot down.' The actual story is: what was on those drones, and where are the pieces now.
Exactamente.
Exactly.
Y también hay otra pregunta igual de importante: ¿cómo los derribaron?
And there's another equally important question: how did they shoot them down?
Porque Irán no tiene la capacidad de derribar un Reaper así como así.
Because Iran doesn't just have the capability to down a Reaper like that.
Algo ha cambiado.
Something has changed.
Let's start with the basics, because I think a lot of people have heard the word 'Reaper' but don't really know what it does.
Octavio, walk me through it.
A ver, el MQ-9 Reaper es un dron fabricado por General Atomics, que entró en servicio con la Fuerza Aérea de Estados Unidos en 2007.
So, the MQ-9 Reaper is a drone made by General Atomics, which entered service with the US Air Force in 2007.
La M significa 'multimisión', y la Q significa que es no tripulado.
The M stands for 'multi-mission,' and the Q means it's unmanned.
Puede volar hasta 50.000 pies de altitud y permanecer en el aire durante casi 24 horas seguidas.
It can fly up to 50,000 feet altitude and stay airborne for nearly 24 consecutive hours.
Which is extraordinary when you think about it.
A human pilot can't do that.
Physiologically impossible.
The Reaper's endurance is one of its core advantages over any manned aircraft.
Es que eso es lo que lo convierte en un arma de vigilancia sin igual.
That's what makes it an unparalleled surveillance weapon.
Puede orbitar sobre una zona durante horas, recopilando imágenes de alta resolución, señales de comunicación, datos de radar.
It can orbit over an area for hours, collecting high-resolution imagery, communications signals, radar data.
Todo mientras el operador está sentado en una base en Nevada tomando café.
All while the operator is sitting at a base in Nevada drinking coffee.
I covered the early drone program in Afghanistan and the thing that struck me was how psychologically strange it was.
You're fighting a war from a trailer in the Nevada desert.
You watch someone for eight hours and then you make a decision.
La verdad es que eso generó un debate enorme en Europa sobre la ética de este tipo de guerra.
That generated an enormous debate in Europe about the ethics of this kind of warfare.
Matar con precisión quirúrgica a distancia, sin riesgo para el propio soldado.
Killing with surgical precision from a distance, with no risk to your own soldier.
¿Es más humano o menos?
Is it more humane or less?
Nunca llegamos a una respuesta clara.
We never arrived at a clear answer.
And that debate is real, but right now I want to focus on the intelligence side, because that's what makes these two shootdowns genuinely alarming for the Pentagon.
Bueno, un Reaper en misión de reconocimiento lleva una suite de sensores que vale decenas de millones de dólares.
A Reaper on a reconnaissance mission carries a sensor suite worth tens of millions of dollars.
Cámaras electro-ópticas, infrarrojas, radar de apertura sintética.
Electro-optical cameras, infrared, synthetic aperture radar.
Y también, muy probablemente, sistemas de interceptación de señales electrónicas.
And also, very likely, electronic signals interception systems.
So the question is: does any of that survive a shootdown intact?
And if it does, what can Iran, or more specifically, Iran's partners, learn from it?
Mira, esto no es hipotético.
Look, this isn't hypothetical.
En 2011, Irán capturó un RQ-170 Sentinel, que era incluso más avanzado que el Reaper, casi intacto.
In 2011, Iran captured an RQ-170 Sentinel, which was even more advanced than the Reaper, almost intact.
Mostraron el aparato en televisión nacional.
They showed the aircraft on national television.
Y según algunos analistas occidentales, ese incidente aceleró en años el programa de drones iraní.
And according to some Western analysts, that incident accelerated Iran's own drone program by years.
The extraordinary thing is that the Iranians claimed they hacked the GPS signal and basically guided the RQ-170 to a landing.
The U.S.
denied it, but...
the plane was there, on Iranian television, looking suspiciously undamaged.
A ver, técnicamente lo que describieron se llama 'suplantación de GPS', o GPS spoofing.
Technically, what they described is called GPS spoofing.
Envías una señal falsa más potente que la auténtica y el sistema de navegación del dron se confunde.
You transmit a false signal stronger than the real one and the drone's navigation system gets confused.
No es ciencia ficción, es una técnica documentada.
It's not science fiction, it's a documented technique.
And the implications of that are enormous.
Because if you can spoof the navigation on a multi-million-dollar reconnaissance platform, you've essentially turned the enemy's eye against them.
Exactamente.
Exactly.
Ahora bien, no sabemos si los dos Reapers de esta semana fueron derribados de la misma manera.
Now, we don't know if the two Reapers this week were shot down the same way.
Podría haber sido un misil tierra-aire convencional, podría haber sido interferencia electrónica, o incluso un dron iraní empleado como interceptor.
It could have been a conventional surface-to-air missile, it could have been electronic jamming, or even an Iranian drone used as an interceptor.
Here's what gets me: Iran has been flying its own drones over Ukraine, effectively.
The Shahed-136, the kamikaze drone that Russia has been using in enormous numbers.
So Iran has been learning about drone warfare from a very active laboratory.
Es un punto crucial.
That's a crucial point.
El programa de drones iraní ha madurado enormemente en los últimos tres años gracias a esa experiencia con Rusia.
The Iranian drone program has matured enormously over the last three years thanks to that experience with Russia.
Lo que aprendieron sobre producción masiva, sobre tácticas de enjambre, sobre cómo eludir defensas, es conocimiento que ahora aplican en su propio espacio aéreo.
What they learned about mass production, swarm tactics, how to evade defenses, that's knowledge they're now applying in their own airspace.
So there's this almost circular dynamic.
Iran produces drones, sends them to Russia, Russia uses them in Ukraine, Ukraine learns to counter them, that knowledge spreads, Iran absorbs the countering lessons too, and improves.
It's a real-time feedback loop.
La verdad es que eso es exactamente lo que es.
That's exactly what it is.
Y eso explica, en parte, por qué Irán ha conseguido derribar no uno sino dos Reapers en lo que parece ser un período muy corto.
And that explains, in part, why Iran has managed to shoot down not one but two Reapers in what appears to be a very short period.
Ya no estamos hablando del Irán de 2003.
We are no longer talking about the Iran of 2003.
Let's talk about what Iran potentially gains from the wreckage.
Because even if the aircraft is largely destroyed, which the U.S.
military presumably tries to ensure, fragments are still intelligence.
Mira, los ingenieros militares son muy buenos en algo que se llama ingeniería inversa a partir de restos.
Look, military engineers are very good at something called reverse engineering from debris.
Un chip parcialmente fundido, un fragmento de revestimiento, incluso un trozo de cableado, puede revelar principios de diseño que llevan años de investigación propia.
A partially melted chip, a fragment of coating, even a piece of wiring, can reveal design principles that would take years of independent research.
And Iran doesn't have to do it alone.
That's the other part of this story.
Russia has both the technical capacity and the strategic incentive to help Iran extract every last bit of value from those wreckages.
Es que esa es la dimensión que más me preocupa a mí.
That's the dimension that worries me most.
No es solo Irán.
It's not just Iran.
Es Irán más Rusia más, potencialmente, China.
It's Iran plus Russia plus, potentially, China.
Tres potencias con programas de drones muy activos y con mucho interés en entender las capacidades técnicas de los Reapers.
Three powers with very active drone programs and a very strong interest in understanding the technical capabilities of the Reapers.
Look, I want to push back slightly on the doom framing, because the U.S.
military has been aware of this risk for a long time.
The Reaper is not their newest or most sensitive platform.
The question is whether there's classified tech aboard that changes the calculus.
No, no, espera.
No, wait.
Tienes razón en que no es el sistema más moderno, pero el problema no es solo el hardware.
You're right that it's not the most modern system, but the problem isn't just the hardware.
Es el software, los protocolos de comunicación, las frecuencias que usa para transmitir datos.
It's the software, the communication protocols, the frequencies it uses to transmit data.
Eso es lo que le importa a un adversario sofisticado.
That's what matters to a sophisticated adversary.
No, you're absolutely right about that.
And that's actually a harder problem to solve than hardware, because you can't just replace the software after the fact.
If the encryption keys or the transmission protocols are compromised, you're redoing entire communication architectures.
Bueno, y eso tiene un coste enorme, no solo económico.
And that has an enormous cost, not just financial.
Cada vez que cambias los protocolos tienes que reentrenar a los operadores, actualizar los sistemas aliados, coordinar con la OTAN.
Every time you change the protocols you have to retrain the operators, update allied systems, coordinate with NATO.
Es un efecto cascada.
It's a cascade effect.
I mean, there's a broader strategic point here too, which is that the war over Iran is accelerating a kind of technological arms race that was already underway.
Every system that gets shot down teaches both sides something.
A ver, hay una frase que me parece muy apropiada aquí, que es 'aprendes más en una derrota que en cien victorias'.
There's a phrase that I think is very apt here: 'you learn more from one defeat than from a hundred victories.' The military forces that shoot down a Reaper learn more about how it works than any intelligence report they could steal.
Los militares que derriban un Reaper aprenden más sobre cómo funciona que cualquier informe de inteligencia que pudieran robar.
And the U.S.
military knows this.
Which is why there are serious debates in American defense circles right now about whether the doctrine of persistent ISR, that's intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance over hostile territory, is still viable in an era of sophisticated anti-drone capabilities.
Es que esa es la pregunta de fondo, ¿verdad?
That's the fundamental question, isn't it?
El Reaper fue diseñado para operar en entornos con poca o ninguna defensa aérea.
The Reaper was designed to operate in environments with little or no air defense.
Afganistán, Yemen, Mali.
Afghanistan, Yemen, Mali.
Irán es un escenario completamente diferente.
Iran is a completely different scenario.
Right, so this is a real stress test for a platform that was designed for a different era of warfare.
The Reaper was born in the counterterrorism context, hunting insurgents in ungoverned spaces.
It wasn't designed for near-peer conflict.
Y ahí está la ironía de toda esta situación.
And there's the irony of this whole situation.
Estados Unidos gastó veinte años perfeccionando una tecnología para un tipo de guerra, la contrainsurgencia, que casi nadie está librando ahora.
The United States spent twenty years perfecting a technology for one type of war, counterinsurgency, that almost nobody is fighting now.
Y de repente esa tecnología se enfrenta a adversarios mucho más capaces.
And suddenly that technology is facing much more capable adversaries.
The extraordinary thing is that the Pentagon has been developing next-generation platforms precisely for this reason.
More autonomous, lower observable, less dependent on GPS.
But those systems are years away from being operational at scale.
La verdad es que en el intervalo, entre lo que existe ahora y lo que vendrá, es exactamente donde nos encontramos.
The truth is that the gap, between what exists now and what is coming, is exactly where we find ourselves.
Y Irán lo sabe.
And Iran knows it.
Cada Reaper que derriban es un mensaje político tanto como un logro militar.
Every Reaper they shoot down is a political message as much as a military achievement.
And that message landed at a very specific moment, the same week that the Iranian president sent a diplomatic letter to the American people and Trump was talking about finishing the job.
The timing of announcing these shootdowns is not accidental.
No, en absoluto.
No, not at all.
Es un recordatorio de que Irán sigue siendo capaz de infligir costes, incluso mientras abre la puerta a la diplomacia.
It's a reminder that Iran is still capable of inflicting costs, even while opening the door to diplomacy.
Están negociando desde una posición de resistencia demostrable, no de debilidad.
They're negotiating from a position of demonstrated resistance, not weakness.
So what does this mean going forward?
I think the honest answer is that the era of cheap, low-risk drone surveillance over sophisticated adversaries is over.
That changes how wars are fought, how intelligence is gathered, how much they cost.
Mira, creo que lo que estamos viendo es el inicio de una nueva doctrina de guerra aérea.
Look, I think what we're seeing is the beginning of a new aerial warfare doctrine.
Más drones pequeños y baratos en lugar de unos pocos muy caros.
More small, cheap drones instead of a few very expensive ones.
Sistemas de enjambre que sean difíciles de interceptar precisamente porque son numerosos y prescindibles.
Swarm systems that are hard to intercept precisely because they are numerous and expendable.
Which is deeply uncomfortable from an ethical standpoint.
Because cheap and expendable drones, fielded in swarms, are much harder to control, much harder to keep within the rules of engagement, and much easier for non-state actors to acquire and copy.
Es que eso es exactamente lo que ha pasado con los Shahed iraníes.
That's exactly what happened with the Iranian Shahed drones.
Irán los hizo baratos, los compartió con proxy, y de repente hay un problema de proliferación que ningún tratado de armas existente estaba preparado para gestionar.
Iran made them cheap, shared them with proxies, and suddenly there's a proliferation problem that no existing arms treaty was prepared to manage.
Two drones shot down over Iran.
It's one of those stories that seems small until you pull the thread and realize it connects to everything: the future of warfare, the limits of technology, the proliferation of autonomous weapons, and the intelligence costs of fighting a real war against a real adversary.
Bueno, para los oyentes de Twilingua: la próxima vez que escuchen 'dron derribado' en las noticias, ya saben que detrás de esas dos palabras hay décadas de historia tecnológica, millones de dólares, y preguntas que la humanidad todavía no sabe responder.
For Twilingua listeners: the next time you hear 'drone shot down' in the news, you now know that behind those two words there are decades of technological history, millions of dollars, and questions that humanity still doesn't know how to answer.