The United States has signed a civil nuclear cooperation agreement with Saudi Arabia, granting the kingdom access to reactor technology, uranium enrichment, and nuclear reprocessing. Fletcher and Octavio dig into what this means for the Middle East, nonproliferation history, and a region already on fire.
Estados Unidos firma un acuerdo nuclear con Arabia Saudí que permite al reino enriquecer uranio y reprocesar residuos nucleares. Fletcher y Octavio analizan qué significa esto para la proliferación nuclear en Oriente Medio y por qué el momento no puede ser más tenso.
6 essential A2-level terms from this episode, with translations and example sentences in Spanish.
| Spanish | English | Example |
|---|---|---|
| acuerdo | agreement, deal | Estados Unidos firma un acuerdo con Arabia Saudí. |
| poder | to be able to, can (permission or physical possibility) | Arabia Saudí puede enriquecer uranio ahora. |
| saber | to know how to, can (skill or knowledge) | Octavio sabe hablar español muy bien. |
| peligroso | dangerous | El acuerdo nuclear es muy peligroso para la región. |
| miedo | fear | Israel tiene miedo de los átomos saudíes. |
| firmar | to sign | Los dos países firman el acuerdo hoy. |
I want to start with a question, and I genuinely don't know the right answer.
Is it possible to give a country nuclear technology while simultaneously dropping Tomahawk missiles on its neighbor?
Es una buena pregunta, Fletcher.
That's a good question, Fletcher.
Estados Unidos firma un acuerdo hoy.
The United States signs an agreement today.
Right.
Washington just signed a civil nuclear cooperation agreement with Saudi Arabia.
Reactor technology, uranium enrichment, nuclear reprocessing.
The whole package.
Arabia Saudí quiere energía nuclear.
Saudi Arabia wants nuclear energy.
No es una bomba.
It's not a bomb.
That's the official line, yes.
And honestly, Saudi Arabia has legitimate reasons to want civil nuclear power.
They burn millions of barrels of oil every year just to generate electricity domestically, oil they could otherwise export.
Sí.
Yes.
Arabia Saudí tiene mucho sol y mucho petróleo.
Saudi Arabia has a lot of sun and a lot of oil.
Pero el petróleo vale dinero.
But oil is worth money.
Exactly.
Why burn your own product when you can sell it and use nuclear instead.
That argument makes perfect economic sense.
The problem is what else this agreement allows.
El acuerdo permite enriquecer uranio.
The agreement allows uranium enrichment.
Eso es diferente.
That's different.
That's where this gets complicated fast.
Uranium enrichment is dual-use technology.
You enrich to three to five percent, you have reactor fuel.
You enrich to ninety percent, you have weapons-grade material.
Same process, very different endpoints.
Mhm.
Mhm.
Y el reprocesamiento también es peligroso.
And reprocessing is also dangerous.
Reprocessing spent nuclear fuel, yes.
That's how you extract plutonium, another path to a weapon.
And this deal includes both.
So there's a real proliferation concern here beyond the official framing.
Hay más.
There's more.
El acuerdo no incluye el Protocolo Adicional de la AIEA.
The agreement doesn't include the IAEA Additional Protocol.
Which is the inspection mechanism.
The Additional Protocol gives the International Atomic Energy Agency much stronger powers to verify that nuclear material is going where a country says it's going.
Leaving that out is not a small thing.
Sin inspecciones, nadie sabe qué pasa dentro.
Without inspections, nobody knows what happens inside.
And here's the historical context that makes me genuinely uneasy.
In 2018, Mohammed bin Salman said, and I'm going to quote him directly: if Iran develops a nuclear bomb, Saudi Arabia will follow suit as quickly as possible.
Sí.
Yes.
MBS lo dice muy claro.
MBS says it very clearly.
Si Irán tiene bomba, Arabia Saudí también.
If Iran has a bomb, Saudi Arabia will too.
And now, the week the United States is on its twelfth consecutive day of airstrikes against Iran, Washington hands Riyadh the technical building blocks that could, in a worst-case scenario, make that statement a reality.
Irán no tiene bomba ahora.
Iran doesn't have a bomb now.
Pero puede tener en el futuro.
But it could have one in the future.
Correct.
Iran is not a nuclear weapons state, at least not officially.
But its enrichment program has advanced far enough that the breakout time, the time needed to produce enough weapons-grade material for one bomb, has been estimated at weeks, not years.
Entonces Arabia Saudí tiene miedo.
So Saudi Arabia is afraid.
Quiere estar lista.
It wants to be ready.
That's the logic, yes.
And I've covered enough of these situations to know that security logic in volatile regions has its own momentum.
Once Saudi Arabia has enrichment capability, the pressure to develop further becomes self-reinforcing.
Hay un nombre para esto.
There's a name for this.
Un acuerdo 123.
A 123 agreement.
Estados Unidos firma muchos.
The United States signs many of them.
Yes, Section 123 of the US Atomic Energy Act governs civilian nuclear cooperation agreements.
The US has them with about two dozen countries.
But they're not all equal.
The quality of what you agree to varies enormously.
Los Emiratos Árabes Unidos tienen un acuerdo diferente.
The United Arab Emirates have a different agreement.
Más estricto.
Stricter.
The UAE signed what's called the gold standard agreement.
They explicitly committed to no domestic enrichment and no reprocessing.
They gave up those capabilities voluntarily as a condition of the deal.
Saudi Arabia just got a deal without making those same commitments.
Y Arabia Saudí es más grande.
And Saudi Arabia is bigger.
Más poderosa en la región.
More powerful in the region.
Much larger, much more influential.
And this is where I think history is genuinely instructive.
Go back to 1953.
Eisenhower gives his Atoms for Peace speech at the UN, proposes sharing civilian nuclear technology broadly to prevent an arms race.
The idea was that if everyone had access to peaceful nuclear power, the weapons incentive diminishes.
The result was partly the opposite.
Más países aprendieron la tecnología.
More countries learned the technology.
Y algunos hicieron bombas.
And some made bombs.
India, Pakistan, eventually North Korea.
The technology transfer intended for peaceful purposes became the foundation for weapons programs.
That pattern is what nonproliferation experts are thinking about right now when they look at this Saudi deal.
Israel no está contento.
Israel isn't happy.
Israel tiene miedo de los átomos saudíes.
Israel is afraid of Saudi atoms.
Israel has been the only nuclear power in the Middle East for decades, and they've gone to extraordinary lengths to keep it that way.
The 1981 airstrike on Iraq's Osirak reactor.
The 2007 strike on a suspected Syrian facility.
The idea of Saudi Arabia having enrichment capacity is a very different regional landscape for them.
Y el Congreso de Estados Unidos tiene que revisar el acuerdo ahora.
And the US Congress has to review the agreement now.
Congress gets ninety days to review, technically.
In practice, most 123 agreements go through.
There's significant lobbying from the nuclear industry, from defense contractors, and frankly from the oil and gas sector too, because a Saudi Arabia using nuclear power domestically frees up more crude for export markets.
Entonces hay dinero detrás de esto.
So there's money behind this.
No solo política.
Not just politics.
There's always money.
American nuclear companies like Westinghouse have been competing with Russian and Chinese firms for contracts to build Saudi reactors.
This deal is partly about winning that commercial race too.
Si Estados Unidos no firma, China firma.
If the United States doesn't sign, China signs.
O Rusia.
Or Russia.
That's exactly the argument the administration will make, and it's not wrong.
Russia and China don't impose the same nonproliferation conditions.
So the US reasoning is: better us than them, because at least we have some influence.
Whether that logic actually holds in practice is a different question.
Pero la influencia real depende de las inspecciones.
But real influence depends on inspections.
Y no hay Protocolo Adicional.
And there's no Additional Protocol.
And that's the circular problem.
You negotiate from a position of wanting the deal, so you give up the verification tools that would give the deal credibility.
The leverage disappears at the negotiating table.
Fletcher, piensa en esto.
Fletcher, think about this.
La guerra con Irán sigue.
The war with Iran continues.
Y al mismo tiempo, este acuerdo.
And at the same time, this agreement.
The timing is genuinely staggering when you lay it out like that.
Day twelve of American airstrikes on Iran.
Iran is firing missiles at Jordan, intercepting ships in the Strait of Hormuz, and on that same day Washington signs a nuclear technology deal with Tehran's main regional rival.
That is not a coincidence.
Es un mensaje para Irán.
It's a message for Iran.
Un mensaje muy claro.
A very clear message.
A message, yes.
But messages in this region have a habit of being received differently than they're sent.
Iran could read this as confirmation that the US is determined to encircle them.
Which actually increases, not decreases, their incentive to push harder on their own nuclear program.
Entonces más presión para Irán, más miedo para Arabia Saudí.
So more pressure on Iran, more fear for Saudi Arabia.
Un círculo.
A circle.
A security dilemma.
Every action one side takes to feel safer makes the other side feel less safe, which prompts another action, and so on.
We've watched this play out between India and Pakistan since the nineties.
The worry is we're watching the opening move of the same dynamic in the Gulf.
Octavio no sabe si esto es bueno o malo.
Octavio doesn't know if this is good or bad.
Es complicado.
It's complicated.
That's the most honest thing either of us has said.
I've covered enough of these moments to know that the people who are absolutely certain about the outcome are always the most dangerous people in the room.
Oye, Fletcher.
Hey, Fletcher.
Usé una frase antes.
I used a phrase earlier.
Dije que Arabia Saudí puede tener una bomba.
I said Saudi Arabia can have a bomb.
Pero 'puede' tiene dos significados.
But 'puede' has two meanings.
Wait, I noticed that too, actually.
You used poder and saber at different points.
And I wasn't totally sure of the difference.
I mean, in English we just say 'can' for everything.
Sí.
Yes.
'Poder' es tener permiso o la posibilidad.
'Poder' is having permission or the possibility.
'Saber' es tener el conocimiento.
'Saber' is having the knowledge.
So, Arabia Saudí puede enriquecer uranio, that means Saudi Arabia is now allowed to, has the physical capability to.
But Arabia Saudí sabe enriquecer uranio would mean Saudi Arabia knows how to enrich uranium.
Those are two very different political statements.
Exacto.
Exactly.
Yo sé hablar español.
I know how to speak Spanish.
Pero tú no puedes hablar español en una cena, Fletcher.
But you can't speak Spanish at a dinner, Fletcher.
You know what, fair point.
And frankly, given the embarazado incident, maybe it's safer for everyone if I stick to English at diplomatic functions too.