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So.
Yesterday the Israeli Air Force struck a uranium processing facility in Yazd, Iran.
No casualties, no radiation leak, according to Iran's Atomic Energy Organization.
And I've been sitting with that story all morning because it's one of those headlines that sounds almost routine now, and it absolutely should not.
Bueno, mira, tienes razón en que hay un riesgo real de que nos acostumbremos a este tipo de noticias.
You're right that there's a real risk we get used to this kind of news.
Un ataque a una instalación nuclear en tiempos normales habría paralizado el mundo entero.
An attack on a nuclear facility in normal times would have paralyzed the entire world.
Ahora aparece en el quinto párrafo del parte de guerra.
Now it appears in the fifth paragraph of the war bulletin.
Right, and I think that normalization is actually the most dangerous thing happening here.
So let's not do that.
Let's start with the basics, because I want to understand what was actually hit.
A uranium processing facility is not the same as a reactor, it's not the same as an enrichment plant.
What are we actually talking about?
A ver, hay que entender el ciclo del combustible nuclear como si fuera una cadena de producción.
You have to understand the nuclear fuel cycle like a production chain.
El uranio empieza como mineral en el suelo, se extrae, se purifica, se convierte en gas y luego, dependiendo del grado de enriquecimiento que se quiera alcanzar, puede usarse para reactores civiles o, si se lleva mucho más lejos, para armamento.
Uranium starts as ore in the ground, gets extracted, purified, converted into gas, and then, depending on the level of enrichment you want to achieve, it can be used for civilian reactors or, if you push it much further, for weapons.
And Yazd, specifically, is interesting here.
There's a uranium mine at Saghand, not far from the city, and the Ardakan nuclear fuel site in the same province.
So this isn't some random location.
This is genuinely part of the early stages of Iran's fuel cycle.
Exacto.
Exactly.
Y eso es precisamente lo que hace que el ataque sea tan simbólico como estratégico.
And that's precisely what makes the strike as symbolic as it is strategic.
Ardakan es donde Irán convierte el mineral en lo que se llama "yellowcake", que es el óxido de uranio en polvo, el punto de partida de todo el proceso posterior.
Ardakan is where Iran converts ore into what's called yellowcake, which is powdered uranium oxide, the starting point for the entire subsequent process.
Sin esa fase inicial, el resto de la cadena se detiene.
Without that initial phase, the rest of the chain stops.
Yellowcake.
I mean, the name sounds almost charming for something so consequential.
And here's what gets me: Iran immediately said no radiation leak, no casualties.
Which is either genuinely reassuring or very carefully worded.
Es que esa es la clave, Fletcher.
That's the key, Fletcher.
El yellowcake en sí no es especialmente peligroso en términos de radiación inmediata.
Yellowcake itself isn't especially dangerous in terms of immediate radiation.
No es material fisionable, no puede detonar.
It's not fissile material, it can't detonate.
Pero si se destruye una instalación de procesamiento, el impacto real no es radiológico sino logístico: retrasas el programa durante meses, quizás años.
But if you destroy a processing facility, the real impact isn't radiological, it's logistical: you delay the program for months, maybe years.
Which is exactly what the Israelis did to Iraq in 1981.
Osirak.
They hit the reactor before it went critical, before there was any fuel in it, precisely to avoid a radiological catastrophe while still setting the program back.
La doctrina Begin.
The Begin Doctrine.
Así la llaman: la idea de que Israel no permitirá que ningún estado hostil de la región desarrolle capacidad nuclear.
That's what it's called: the idea that Israel will not allow any hostile state in the region to develop nuclear capability.
Lo que es notable es que aquella operación de 1981 fue universalmente condenada en su momento, incluido por Estados Unidos, y hoy se cita frecuentemente como una decisión que el mundo debería agradecer.
What's remarkable is that the 1981 operation was universally condemned at the time, including by the United States, and today it's frequently cited as a decision the world should be grateful for.
The extraordinary thing is how history keeps rewriting those judgments.
Look, I was in Baghdad in the late nineties and the ghost of Osirak was everywhere in how Iraqi scientists talked about their own past.
There was genuine grief about what had been destroyed, whatever the geopolitical logic.
Eso es algo que se olvida con facilidad: detrás de estos programas hay científicos, ingenieros, personas que han dedicado su vida a un trabajo que no es necesariamente militar.
That's something easily forgotten: behind these programs are scientists, engineers, people who have dedicated their lives to work that isn't necessarily military.
El programa nuclear iraní tiene una dimensión civil real, con reactores de investigación, medicina nuclear, planes de energía.
Iran's nuclear program has a real civilian dimension, with research reactors, nuclear medicine, energy plans.
No todo es la bomba.
It's not all about the bomb.
And that ambiguity is built into the Non-Proliferation Treaty itself, right?
The NPT explicitly guarantees the right to peaceful nuclear energy.
That's the deal: you give up weapons, you get civilian technology.
Iran has always used that clause as a shield.
Claro, y lo hacen con cierta legitimidad jurídica.
And they do so with some legal legitimacy.
El problema es que la misma tecnología que necesitas para enriquecer uranio al tres o cuatro por ciento, que es suficiente para un reactor civil, es la misma que, si la sigues haciendo funcionar, te lleva al noventa por ciento, que es el grado de arma.
The problem is that the same technology you need to enrich uranium to three or four percent, which is enough for a civilian reactor, is the same technology that, if you keep running it, takes you to ninety percent, which is weapons grade.
La física no discrimina la intención.
Physics doesn't discriminate by intention.
So explain the centrifuge problem to me, because I think this is where a lot of people's eyes glaze over, and it really shouldn't.
How does enrichment actually work?
Bueno, de forma sencilla: el uranio natural contiene principalmente dos isótopos, el uranio-238 y el uranio-235.
Simply put: natural uranium contains mainly two isotopes, uranium-238 and uranium-235.
El 235 es el que fisiona, el que libera energía, pero en la naturaleza solo representa el 0,7 por ciento del total.
The 235 is the one that fissions, that releases energy, but in nature it represents only 0.7 percent of the total.
Para que sea útil, hay que aumentar esa proporción.
To make it useful, you have to increase that proportion.
Para eso se convierte el uranio en gas, hexafluoruro de uranio, y se hace girar en centrifugadoras a velocidades enormes.
So you convert uranium into gas, uranium hexafluoride, and spin it in centrifuges at enormous speeds.
Because the heavier isotope, the 238, migrates outward.
The lighter 235 concentrates toward the center.
And you repeat that process through thousands of centrifuges in series, what they call a cascade, until you've got the concentration you want.
Exactamente.
Exactly.
Y ahí está el corazón del problema político.
And there's the heart of the political problem.
Las centrifugadoras no saben para qué las usas.
Centrifuges don't know what you're using them for.
La diferencia entre un programa civil y uno militar es, en gran medida, una cuestión de cuánto tiempo las dejas funcionar y hasta qué porcentaje llegas.
The difference between a civilian and a military program is largely a matter of how long you let them run and what percentage you reach.
Por eso el recuento de centrifugadoras operativas es tan obsesivo en las negociaciones nucleares.
That's why the count of operational centrifuges is so obsessive in nuclear negotiations.
The JCPOA, the 2015 nuclear deal, basically tried to freeze that centrifuge count.
Iran had something like nineteen thousand centrifuges at the time.
The deal capped them at around six thousand operating machines.
Then Trump pulled out in 2018, and since then Iran has been running more advanced centrifuges with fewer restrictions than before the deal even existed.
Y eso es la tragedia real del abandono del acuerdo, que se suele resumir de forma demasiado simplista.
And that's the real tragedy of abandoning the deal, which is usually summarized too simplistically.
En 2018, la comunidad de inteligencia occidental estimaba que Irán necesitaría entre uno y dos años para producir suficiente material fisible para una bomba, suponiendo que lo intentara.
In 2018, the Western intelligence community estimated Iran would need one to two years to produce enough fissile material for a bomb, if it tried.
Hoy muchos analistas hablan de semanas, no de meses.
Today many analysts are talking weeks, not months.
Weeks.
I mean, that number lands differently when you're looking at a war that's already in its fifth week.
And the facility in Yazd being struck now, in this context, feels like something more than a tactical calculation.
Es un mensaje a múltiples audiencias simultáneamente.
It's a message to multiple audiences simultaneously.
A Irán: esto es lo que podemos llegar a destruir.
To Iran: this is what we can destroy.
A Estados Unidos: si no actuáis, actuamos nosotros.
To the United States: if you don't act, we will.
A los países del Golfo: compartimos el mismo interés en que este programa no llegue a buen término.
To Gulf countries: we share the same interest in seeing this program fail.
Y a la comunidad científica internacional: la física tiene consecuencias políticas que no puedes ignorar.
And to the international scientific community: physics has political consequences you can't ignore.
The scientific community piece is one I want to stay on for a moment.
Because there's a version of this story that's purely geopolitical, and I think it misses something.
Iran has a serious scientific infrastructure.
Its universities produce thousands of physics and engineering graduates every year.
The nuclear program isn't just political ambition;
it's also national scientific identity.
La verdad es que eso lo entiendo mejor de lo que podría esperarse.
That's something Octavio understands better than one might expect.
España en los años sesenta y setenta también usó su propio programa de investigación nuclear como símbolo de modernidad y potencia industrial, aunque nunca llegó cerca de la fase militar.
Spain in the sixties and seventies also used its own nuclear research program as a symbol of modernity and industrial power, though it never came close to the military phase.
Hay algo profundamente humano en querer dominar la tecnología más compleja que existe.
There's something deeply human in wanting to master the most complex technology that exists.
And Iran has paid a staggering human price for that ambition.
Several of their nuclear scientists were assassinated in the 2010s.
Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, Majid Shahriari.
Widely attributed to Israeli and American intelligence.
These were people with families, with students, with careers.
Y esos asesinatos tuvieron un efecto que a veces se omite en el análisis estratégico: radicalizaron a una generación de jóvenes científicos iraníes.
And those assassinations had an effect that's sometimes omitted from strategic analysis: they radicalized a generation of young Iranian scientists.
No necesariamente en sentido político, sino en el sentido de que convirtieron el programa nuclear en una causa de dignidad nacional.
Not necessarily politically, but in the sense that they turned the nuclear program into a cause of national dignity.
Matar a un científico no mata su idea, a menudo la convierte en mártir.
Killing a scientist doesn't kill the idea, it often turns it into a martyr.
So then what is the actual logic of striking the Yazd facility now?
If you've already conceded that Iran is weeks away from weapons-grade material, hitting a processing plant is, I don't know, it's like slashing the flour supply to stop someone from baking bread when they already have the dough.
No, no, espera.
Wait.
El argumento estratégico es más sutil que eso.
The strategic argument is more subtle than that.
Una cosa es tener suficiente material enriquecido para una bomba y otra muy distinta es tener la capacidad industrial de producir varias bombas de forma sostenida.
Having enough enriched material for one bomb is very different from having the industrial capacity to sustainably produce several bombs.
Lo que se ataca en Yazd no es el sprint final sino la capacidad maratoniana del programa.
What's being attacked in Yazd isn't the final sprint but the marathon capacity of the program.
That's a genuinely important distinction.
One bomb is a crisis.
A sustained arsenal is a different order of magnitude entirely.
You're not just deterring a weapon, you're trying to prevent a new nuclear state.
Y aquí es donde la historia se vuelve realmente incómoda.
And here's where history becomes genuinely uncomfortable.
Porque si Irán cruzara ese umbral, si se convirtiera en potencia nuclear declarada, la presión sobre Arabia Saudí, Turquía y Egipto para hacer lo mismo sería enorme.
Because if Iran crossed that threshold and became a declared nuclear power, the pressure on Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Egypt to do the same would be enormous.
Estaríamos hablando de una proliferación en cadena en la región más inestable del planeta.
We'd be talking about chain proliferation in the most unstable region on the planet.
Saudi Arabia has already said explicitly, if Iran gets the bomb, we get the bomb.
And they have the money.
They don't have the scientists yet, but they've been investing heavily in nuclear infrastructure and reportedly looking at Pakistan as a potential source.
Lo que nos lleva de vuelta a la ciencia, o más exactamente a la política de la ciencia.
Which brings us back to science, or more precisely to the politics of science.
El Tratado de No Proliferación fue una apuesta extraordinaria: la idea de que las potencias nucleares existentes compartirían tecnología civil a cambio de que los demás renunciaran al arma.
The Non-Proliferation Treaty was an extraordinary bet: the idea that existing nuclear powers would share civilian technology in exchange for others renouncing the weapon.
Ese pacto lleva décadas agrietándose.
That pact has been cracking for decades.
India never signed it.
Pakistan never signed it.
Israel never signed it and has never officially confirmed its arsenal.
North Korea withdrew.
The NPT has always had these enormous structural holes, and yet it's held for fifty years in a way that nobody in 1968 could quite have predicted.
A ver, creo que ha funcionado en parte porque las bombas son caras, técnicamente dificilísimas y políticamente costosas.
It's worked partly because bombs are expensive, technically extremely difficult, and politically costly.
Pero también porque la disuasión nuclear real no depende solo de tener armas sino de que los demás crean que las usarías.
But also because real nuclear deterrence doesn't depend only on having weapons but on others believing you'd use them.
Y la credibilidad de ese compromiso es en sí mismo un problema científico y político extraordinariamente complejo.
And the credibility of that commitment is itself an extraordinarily complex scientific and political problem.
The thing is, when I was reporting in the region in the nineties and early 2000s, the people who understood this most viscerally weren't the defense analysts.
They were the physicists.
I interviewed a physicist in Tehran once, this was 2003, right after the Natanz facility was revealed publicly, and he was genuinely conflicted in a way that the politicians I talked to weren't.
Esa tensión es real y muy antigua.
That tension is real and very old.
Los físicos del Proyecto Manhattan vivieron algo similar, aunque en un contexto muy distinto.
The physicists of the Manhattan Project experienced something similar, though in a very different context.
Oppenheimer, Szilard, Bohr, todos ellos pasaron el resto de sus vidas cargando con el peso de lo que habían creado.
Oppenheimer, Szilard, Bohr, all of them spent the rest of their lives carrying the weight of what they had created.
La física nuclear es quizás la única rama de la ciencia que tiene esa dimensión trágica incorporada.
Nuclear physics is perhaps the only branch of science with that tragic dimension built in.
Oppenheimer famously quoted the Bhagavad Gita when he saw the Trinity test.
"Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." And what strikes me about that moment, every time I come back to it, is that the science worked perfectly.
The horror and the achievement were exactly the same thing.
Y eso es lo que hace que la noticia de ayer sea tan difícil de clasificar.
And that's what makes yesterday's news so hard to categorize.
No es solo un parte bélico.
It's not just a war bulletin.
Es un capítulo más de una historia que empezó en los laboratorios de Los Álamos en los años cuarenta y que todavía no hemos sabido cómo terminar.
It's another chapter in a story that began in the Los Alamos laboratories in the forties and that we still haven't figured out how to end.
Lo de Yazd es, a su manera, una consecuencia directa de Hiroshima.
What happened in Yazd is, in its own way, a direct consequence of Hiroshima.
No, you're absolutely right about that.
And here's what I keep coming back to: Iran's Atomic Energy Organization says no radiation leak.
And we have to hope that's true, not just for the obvious immediate reasons, but because the alternative, a radiological event in a region already at war, is almost too severe to think about clearly.
La verdad es que incluso sin fuga radiológica, el daño ya está hecho en otro sentido.
Even without a radiological leak, the damage is already done in another sense.
La AIEA, la Agencia Internacional de Energía Atómica, tiene inspectores cuyo acceso a las instalaciones iraníes ya era limitado antes de la guerra.
The IAEA, the International Atomic Energy Agency, has inspectors whose access to Iranian facilities was already limited before the war.
Después de un ataque militar a una de esas instalaciones, ¿cómo vuelves a establecer un régimen de verificación?
After a military attack on one of those facilities, how do you re-establish a verification regime?
Es casi imposible.
It's almost impossible.
And verification is everything.
The whole architecture of nuclear non-proliferation rests on the idea that you can trust but verify.
The moment you destroy the infrastructure of verification, you're flying blind.
And flying blind over a potential nuclear weapons program is not a comfortable position.
Lo cual nos deja con una paradoja que no tiene buena solución: si no atacas las instalaciones, el programa avanza.
Which leaves us with a paradox that has no clean solution: if you don't attack the facilities, the program advances.
Si las atacas, destruyes también los mecanismos que te permiten saber lo que está pasando.
If you do attack them, you also destroy the mechanisms that let you know what's happening.
Es como intentar apagar un incendio con gasolina, sabiendo que el agua tampoco funciona.
It's like trying to put out a fire with gasoline, knowing water doesn't work either.
So where does that leave us?
I mean, genuinely.
Because I find myself thinking about the physicists, the students in Tehran right now who are studying the very science that their government has weaponized and that another country just bombed.
What does this moment look like from inside a university laboratory in Iran?
Mira, creo que lo que más subestimamos en Occidente es la profundidad del sentido de agravio.
What the West most underestimates is the depth of the sense of grievance.
Irán firmó el TNP.
Iran signed the NPT.
Irán permitió inspecciones.
Iran allowed inspections.
Irán negoció el JCPOA de buena fe, o al menos eso argumentan ellos, y al final vio cómo Estados Unidos lo abandonó unilateralmente.
Iran negotiated the JCPOA in good faith, or so they argue, and in the end saw the United States abandon it unilaterally.
Desde ese ángulo, ¿por qué habrías de confiar en ningún acuerdo internacional en el futuro?
From that angle, why would you trust any international agreement in the future?
Look, I've heard that argument from Iranian officials and I find it partially convincing and partially a cover for behavior that also wasn't exactly in good faith.
But the partially convincing part matters.
Because if the lesson the world takes from this, any country watching this war, is that agreements don't protect you, only arsenals do, then we've failed at the most fundamental level.
Esa es la lección que Corea del Norte lleva décadas intentando enseñar al mundo.
That's the lesson North Korea has spent decades trying to teach the world.
Irak no tenía armas nucleares y lo invadieron.
Iraq had no nuclear weapons and was invaded.
Libia renunció a su programa y derrocaron a Gadafi.
Libya gave up its program and Gaddafi was overthrown.
Corea del Norte tiene bombas y nadie la toca.
North Korea has bombs and nobody touches it.
Si eres un líder en Teherán, o en Riad, o en Ankara, ¿cuál es la conclusión lógica de esa secuencia?
If you're a leader in Tehran, or Riyadh, or Ankara, what's the logical conclusion of that sequence?
The extraordinary thing is that we built an entire global architecture to prevent exactly that conclusion, and it's crumbling in real time, and we're reporting it like a weather update.
Strike on facility in Yazd.
No casualties.
Brent crude up.
And we move on.
Por eso estamos aquí, Fletcher.
That's why we're here, Fletcher.
Porque alguien tiene que detenerse a mirar debajo de la superficie del parte de guerra y ver lo que hay: ochenta años de física, de política, de miedo y de ambición, todo cristalizado en un ataque sobre una instalación en el desierto iraní que muchos oyentes ni siquiera sabían que existía ayer por la mañana.
Because someone has to stop and look beneath the surface of the war bulletin and see what's there: eighty years of physics, politics, fear, and ambition, all crystallized in a strike on a facility in the Iranian desert that many listeners didn't even know existed yesterday morning.
That's as good a place to leave it as any.
The Yazd strike is not just a military event.
It's a scientific and political inflection point.
And we don't know yet which way it bends.
Thanks for listening to Twilingua.
We'll be back tomorrow.
Hasta mañana.
Until tomorrow.
Y, Fletcher, la próxima vez que intentes decir algo en español sobre física nuclear, avísame antes.
And Fletcher, next time you try to say something in Spanish about nuclear physics, warn me first.
El incidente con "embarazado" fue suficiente por una vida.
The 'embarazado' incident was enough for one lifetime.